PvP Server, Yes... Again!!

Discussion in 'Ark' started by TomUnderWater, Jan 5, 2018.

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What map are using boi's?

Poll closed Jan 20, 2018.
  1. Island

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  2. Volcano

    38.5%
  3. Shigo Islands

    15.4%
  4. Valhalla

    15.4%
  5. Thieves Island

    7.7%
  6. Aberration

    23.1%
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    TomUnderWater

    TomUnderWater Member Revenant Member

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    Pretty much like you said, an end game server where dinos go to die. As well to avoid having people just transfer out all the goodies, especially during a raid.

    The point was to bring people in to PvP. Not to farm for dinos, resources or blueprints.
     
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    How do you feel about my proposal for being like 1 day at the end of the 3 months, once the vote has been made. And Only certain items/dinos as well as quantity of those items can be taken out. it will be an event almost. bring all your stuff to the obi on that day and allow and admin to upload them to be fair to everyone.

    This isnt a per person thing, per tribe, so a tribe of 3-5 cant bring over 3-5 gigas and take all of them back. Depending on the vote of what is allowed to be brought back, only one if any might get back to the safe server.

    I like the idea of the dino graveyard and am totally for it, but, if that server is literally just a playground for me and maka to kill each others gigas on, with no real reward, I don't foresee growth for the server.

    Then again, I fully believe my opinion would change if I saw a loooot of activity on the server all the time. It would give me initiative to breed better lines on the safe servers, to show off more or less, or finally beat out a rival tribe. But thats in the future, when there are lots of tribes on.

    With the current average of players I think transfer out would be more enjoyable to start the "season" with.

    AT THE END OF THE 3 MONTHS ONLY
    I might should of clarified that first, Im not talking about the whole time, so people can stockpile the good stuff for 3 months. Im talking about fighting it out over those few items of loot that you want to keep so dearly on that one day at the end. But up until that point, no transfer out, and everything is fair game.

    Also remember the higher rates for dino stats and loot drops, it would be worth it to PvP IMO

    Watcha think?
     
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    TomUnderWater

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    I like this idea. I just felt like during the season it wouldnt be right to have transfers out. To me that would defeat the purpose knowing that anything good will probably be on the PvE and not actually held here on pvp.

    Giving tribes the opportunity to take SOME things out though at the end of a wipe cycle, if they managed to hang onto it for so long, I could agree with.
     
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  4. Sipowicz

    Sipowicz Server Admin Staff Member Officer

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    Rough draft of the new server layout. @Night made some great rule suggestions on THIS OTHER post. Feel free to make suggestions to the following.

    Map:
    The Volcano (now live for anyone who wants to assist set up... PM me)

    Rates - 6x EXP - (10x?8x?) everything else
    Rates will be high. We want this map to feel somewhat temporary. A place where PvP happens, but even a PvE player wont mind joining in.
    Transfers - Downside is, what you bring in you can't bring back out. I like this idea... because it means if you choose to use something for war... you cant simply transfer it back and retreat... if you can't defend what you brought.. you lost it.
    • Characters in and out.
    • After 10-days items/dino downloads are enabled (NO UPLOADS)
    Rules
    • ORP will be enabled for the first 2 weeks to help new players catch up.(after that...... well...... remember when daddy slapped mommy at the dinner table?)
    • Basic stuff... No harassment, Cheating, Greifing.
    • Greifing: Repeat killing new bro's (lvl 30 and down), capturing players for an excessive/unnecessary amount of time, Killing in progress tames
    • Please raid with purpose, no "Wiping" Bases
    • Only tribes with Metal and/or Turrets can be raided or participate in raiding.
    • Tribe member limts?
    • We ask that players do not build in areas that block valuable resources such as metal nodes, beaver dams, underwater caves, etc. Building in surface caves is permitted only for ease of access structures, i.e. Walkways, ramps, ladders, and beds. Please no bases inside caves.
    • We do not tolerate harassment of other players, griefing, or cheating. This Includes Hate speech or racial slurs.
    Wipes - After 3 months, the map will be Eligible for a VOTE to wipe. If things are going very well, and most player are having fun with the game cycle still there is no reason we wouldn't let it keep going. A vote to wipe would need a 75% majority to pass. and IF a vote to wipe passed, we would allow tribes to select a to be determined number of dinos, and items back to PvE as Prizes for holding on till the end of the cycle.
     
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  5. Night

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    So, I think this map would be great for a 10x, with the above transfer rules, 3month season. Smaller maps that players can dive into quick and easy and make some noise. While the other discussion seems like it would best suited at the rates I suggested(5x(8x)) with no wipes + self management idea. (ill post the details over there)

    As well, if there is anything I can do to help, id be happy too.
     
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    Only thing I'm iffy on is the 30 day dino/item in. While I understand, what about a 10 day hold? or 7? How do people feel on that part?
     
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    Sipowicz Server Admin Staff Member Officer

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    I totally understand, my thinking on this one is from the perspective of the players coming in with nothing.

    Anyone else this 30 is too much?
     
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    With a 10x rates, I would say 7-10 day.
     
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    I will reiterate that raiding with in your tier or above is as troublesome as no ruleset. I know people may want to raid thatch vs thatch, wood vs wood but in the end it sends people packing to a new server pretty quick. Giving that Metal and/or Turret buffer prevents a lot of tears, it just needs a proper MotD for new players who don't check out the site.
     
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    Sipowicz Server Admin Staff Member Officer

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    So in other words no raiding at all if your below the metal/turret threshold?

    Edit - Not to include World PvP
     
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    That would be my opinion, I think people need that buffer for a few reason. Time to find a good place and to get to know the community. The one thing that kept me here was having Wolf destroy my entire base on Day 2. That got everyone talking.
     
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    Wolf was a fluke. Also, i guess i can get behind this loosely, If someone picks on me too much even though theyre still in stone theyre asking for it, no?

    Honestly, stuff like that is in server discussion i feel, like on an issue to issue basis. But yeah i can get behind that general rule.
     
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    That would also fall in to the Raiding Rights, I didn't include Defending because I assumed that was a given. But I will add it.

    Raiding Rights
    • Only tribes with Metal and/or Turrets can be raided or participate in raiding
    • This creates a small buffer and prevents abuse, keep in mind this does not prevent WPvP kills
    • Players who choose to stay in stone may be raided but no C4 or Rockets maybe used. (This is just to prevent delaying progression or attempting to make there visit a PvE one.
    • No foundation wiping, but plundering for hidden storage is allowed within reason
    • Raiding the same tribe 2 nights in a row is not allowed.
    • All raids must be completed with in a 12 hour period.
    • Offline raiding is allowed but I do suggest ORP Structures HP x5
    There are three exceptions to raiding rights, proximity, resources and retaliation.
    A verbal warning in general that you are too close by the dominate tribe is required and should suffice, if it dose not then it is up to the dominate tribe on how to best protect their space.
    Violation of the Raiding Rights will result in a DestroyTribeDinos as the penalty.
     
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    The verbal warning is a good addition. Announced raids would solve a lot of issues.

    On the lines of orp. i dont think it should stay, the hp and melee glitches last days at a time, which is pretty broken.
     
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    Those glitches only apply to Dinos, they do not happen with Structures. But I do agree, it is troublesome and I wish there was another option to hinder offline raiding. The verbal warning is only for the three exceptions, aside from that there is no warning to raid.
     
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    I am curious as to people opinion about my suggest penalty.
    Violation of the Raiding Rights will result in a DestroyTribeDinos as the penalty.
     
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    I disagree with any admin interaction, other than game gltiches, and massive, massive, in gam epolitical issues. Otherwise, EVERYTHING, even rule breakers should be handled within the server itself. No reason why a handful of us cant agree each season to band together is we ever have to destroy a rule breaker.
    Having admins jump in is no fun, this is the hostile server, THE THUNDERDOME.
     
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    I helped with the old Falcon's Ledge a while back. One week while the admin was away, a large tribe came in aggressive and hit hard, breaking all the rules. The entire server banded together, put aside feuds, formed alliance and wiped their base, running them off the server. This would have never had be possible had the admin been around because he was a very active admin, always policing. I used that as an example and persuaded him to be more hands off, it eventually rose to a top 50 slot and was only killed because of a wipe before the game went retail, it never recuperated and eventually shut down.

    Long story short, I agree. :) But I do think the rule needs to be there if a problem does arise and the community can't band together. At least at the admins discretion, it gives him an option and the rule is posted.
     
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    Oh well yeah, there WILL be admins for the server, but on a small scale on the backend of the server.
     
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    30 days is cray, do like a week or 2 no transfers in.

    Only tribes with Metal and/or Turrets can be raided or participate in raiding.
    This is cray as well. As i said before I think we should strongly discourage raiding below your weight class but not have a solid rule against. It could be one of those things where the server bands together against the offender since thats what everyone claims theyd do.

    Well have the ORP for the first week or 2, THATS your chance to find you a place and build in safety. If you get wiped or join in after ORP is up you better find a dense forest and hide in it if you cant defend your hut. PvP is rough, we shouldnt have limits on raiding take that to (Pv)PvE.

    Also, its 10x. You can build with the quickness, shame on you if you chill in stone with no turrets.
     
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